Wise County Power Plant

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GhostlyOne</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So you are telling me that u think wasting energy and gas is good thing? It does not matter that plant will efficient not to pollute southwest virginia or all of virginia? u are sorrry mistaken cause if you want not to be heathly and have health problems then support it all cost. please. be the person who gets cancer</div></div>

I'm sorry - but was that even english?
lol

BTW we already have a local coal powered plant.. we're not pristine now and adding this one isn't going to up the cancer-causing odds exponentially as you'd like to imply.

But really there's not too much argument. The plant is coming.
And until the US is no longer reliant on coal as a source of electricity, we need these plants.
Guess what's powering our computers right now (I sure dont have a solar panel or windmill running my house)....

So far I've heard no facts to say anyone's health will be at risk. Until then I'm all for it.

Oh BTW. Let's all stop smoking and talking on our cell phones while were at it. We can still text though, since its not that close to our brains! haha

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Diets17</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh BTW. Let's all stop smoking and talking on our cell phones while were at it. We can still text though, since its not that close to our brains! haha</div></div>

Oh and no diet drinks or artificial sweeteners of any kind, no tanning beds ...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elp6n</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GhostlyOne</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So you are telling me that u think wasting energy and gas is good thing? It does not matter that plant will efficient not to pollute southwest virginia or all of virginia? u are sorrry mistaken cause if you want not to be heathly and have health problems then support it all cost. please. be the person who gets cancer</div></div>

I'm sorry - but was that even english?
lol

BTW we already have a local coal powered plant.. we're not pristine now and adding this one isn't going to up the cancer-causing odds exponentially as you'd like to imply.

But really there's not too much argument. The plant is coming.
And until the US is no longer reliant on coal as a source of electricity, we need these plants.
Guess what's powering our computers right now (I sure dont have a solar panel or windmill running my house).... </div></div>

yeah, like gobal warming is not a problem!!!!! i guess u think burning coal is healthy well is not, factories pollute so much. it causes cancers in the body, i have seen it all over DC and the northern virginia area. we don't even have a air montoring station in this and the closest one is ronoake and they take averages. that one coal plant u are speaking of is doing damage that people don't want to recongize. I guess that is why we have the clean air act!!!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GhostlyOne</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

yeah, like gobal warming is not a problem!!!!! i guess u think burning coal is healthy well is not, factories pollute so much. it causes cancers in the body, i have seen it all over DC and the northern virginia area. we don't even have a air montoring station in this and the closest one is ronoake and they take averages. that one coal plant u are speaking of is doing damage that people don't want to recongize. I guess that is why we have the clean air act!!!! </div></div>

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This poster sounds vaguely familiar... wouldn't you say?

yes, pollution is a big problem, thanks to all the republicans people have voted in this area which is why global warming has become a issue. they have taken off environmental restrictions that the democrats had put on!! but i guess as long they line their pockets that is what matters to them.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GhostlyOne</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes, pollution is a big problem, thanks to all the republicans people have voted in this area which is why global warming has become a issue. they have taken off environmental restrictions that the democrats had put on!! but i guess as long they line their pockets that is what matters to them. </div></div>

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no it is because you root for the cubs who have been losers for the last how many years. sorry, i know this global warming stuff must be hard for you to comprehend and especially about how republicans are greedy rich racist dictators might be hard for u to understand also. look at the great depression who was in power in the 20s that let the stock market go unregulated oh that is right it was republicans. the same thing happened with the environment.

Mmmm wrong about the tax base.

The infamous memo of doom that was so offensive last school board meeting had the numbers in there about the money from the power plant as I recall. I can't remember for sure but I was thinking, even with breaks I'm sure it will get, it was at least 1/2 a million dollars.

This goes on with nearly everything that comes into the area. I remember the protests about having those super max prisons in the area too, because it would put the public at risk.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GhostlyOne</div><div class="ubbcode-body">no it is because you root for the cubs who have been losers for the last how many years. sorry, i know this global warming stuff must be hard for you to comprehend and especially about how republicans are greedy rich racist dictators might be hard for u to understand also. look at the great depression who was in power in the 20s that let the stock market go unregulated oh that is right it was republicans. the same thing happened with the environment. </div></div>

Tis better to remain silent and be thought an idiot than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R0cketer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

This goes on with nearly everything that comes into the area. I remember the protests about having those super max prisons in the area too, because it would put the public at risk.

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It all comes down to NIMBY. How many of the people protesting the power plant even know where St Paul or Virginia City is?

Hell, I'd wager that half the damned fools in Blacksburg and Charlottesville have never been west of I-77.

OH TEH NOES!!11!!! POWER PLANT IS DA DEBBIL!

I really think it will end up being built but there are obvious health side effects. It's debate as to whether or not these outweigh the economic benefit.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NotSoSilentBob</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R0cketer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

This goes on with nearly everything that comes into the area. I remember the protests about having those super max prisons in the area too, because it would put the public at risk.

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It all comes down to NIMBY. How many of the people protesting the power plant even know where St Paul or Virginia City is?

Hell, I'd wager that half the damned fools in Blacksburg and Charlottesville have never been west of I-77.

OH TEH NOES!!11!!! POWER PLANT IS DA DEBBIL! </div></div>

well maybe it is because Charlottesville and blacksburg are going to feel the effects of this power plant. what makes this area great and those cities is that you can breath in them. but i don't guess u think that breathing clean air is not that important.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVFAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I really think it will end up being built but there are obvious health side effects. It's debate as to whether or not these outweigh the economic benefit. </div></div>

Obvious? To whom? The doom and gloomers who will say anything in order to prevent construction?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GhostlyOne</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NotSoSilentBob</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R0cketer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

This goes on with nearly everything that comes into the area. I remember the protests about having those super max prisons in the area too, because it would put the public at risk.

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It all comes down to NIMBY. How many of the people protesting the power plant even know where St Paul or Virginia City is?

Hell, I'd wager that half the damned fools in Blacksburg and Charlottesville have never been west of I-77.

OH TEH NOES!!11!!! POWER PLANT IS DA DEBBIL! </div></div>

well maybe it is because Charlottesville and blacksburg are going to feel the effects of this power plant. what makes this area great and those cities is that you can breath in them. but i don't guess u think that breathing clean air is not that important. </div></div>

Man I needed a good laugh tonight.

Obviously there are some side effects. For instance the spill at Corbo killed off mussels. Now, it's up to each individual to decide whether thats important to them or not.

do u even understand that there is a lot of wildlife in this area and mussels clean the water. i guess u do not want to drink clean water or bath in it also notsoslientbob.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GhostlyOne</div><div class="ubbcode-body">do u even understand that there is a lot of wildlife in this area and mussels clean the water. i guess u do not want to drink clean water or bath in it also notsoslientbob. </div></div>

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u just don't want to listen to the truth. i guess u think breathing unclean air is good for u

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GhostlyOne</div><div class="ubbcode-body">u just don't want to listen to the truth. i guess u think breathing unclean air is good for u
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well, unfortunately, u don't want to listen so there is not point of talking to you. i bet u think george w. bush is god himself.

Ahhh he has no real valids points, so I guess hes just resorted to putting up pictures and looking a little silly

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raider13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ahhh he has no real valids points, so I guess hes just resorted to putting up pictures and looking a little silly </div></div>

Valid point in rebuttal to what? A smattering of gibberish? A rash of hysterical whining?

GO POWER PLANT!!

Their is coal mines, prep plants, and power plants all around us all and we all seem to be breathing.

Wow the power of a man with a bone to pick. Go get um James.

Plain and simple, Wise County needs the power plant just as much as the company needs the county. Folks wonder why we can't afford schools?...loss of industry and the loss of taxes from it that we once enjoyed. Solution?..bring in more industry. If it bothers you guys that much, fund our local governments yourselves and see how long you like that. This plant isn't going to harm the environment any more than the mines and every other industry we have in the county. Just because a bunch of backwards hicks from St. Paul, a small group of 19 year old hippies, and trouble makers from across the county oppose this thing doesn't make it bad. Whine and cry all ya want, but it's coming..

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raider13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ahhh he has no real valids points, so I guess hes just resorted to putting up pictures and looking a little silly </div></div>

I do believe, no I know, NSSB has more knowledge and understanding of environmental issues and such with this plant than you could imagine or comprehend. With his job it is a must and dealt with daily.

This ghostlyone sounds like a propoganda flyer, spouting off exactly what they have been spoonfed by the "hey look at me" bunch with no real facts or statistics to back up their allegations.

Dam there I go again forgetting the forum rules, facts and stats are strictly forbidin and will not be tollerated.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Mines are going practically begging for experienced miners as it is. They really aren't hiring new miners.</div></div>

Where do they expect to get these "experienced" miner's. They aren't around they haven't done any new hiring in 20 years and the only people with experience are all retired. With the power plant and the increased demand for coal they will have to hire and train new miners.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MikeJones</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have no facts just a cut and paste from another site. LOL your Mr Hi IQ. Thats a joke BTW. </div></div>

No, that's no cut & paste. I work in the coal industry and used a bit of research and know-how regarding how that stuff works to piece together a pretty good counter-explanation (I believe) against the environmentalist doomsdayers. But you can keep cussing me and calling me a liar if it floats your boat.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVFAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like I said there not doing it the most efficient way, thats my problem. There are wastes with all of these but the amount of pollution being put off by this one is to much. </div></div>

The most efficient way isn't always affordable enough to make it economically feasible to do. There's always a give & take when it comes to a plant like this, no one's denying that--however, as I outlined in my small bit of research on carbon capture & mercury vapor...you need to keep in mind two very important things:

1. NO large scale coal-fired plant in the world has 100% carbon capture, and not a lot of small-scale ones do either because the technology for it is still very expensive and doesn't work 100% of the time...so this "most efficient" way isn't even an industry standard, but yet we're going to hold this plant up to that type of lofty standard? Unreal.

2. Mercury vapor condenses, and some of the mercury can be recovered and reused--the mercury cost for a single mercury vapor turbine is $250,000 ($1.24/lb). It'd be WAY too expensive to not have a way to recover some of it and re-use it. Not all of it will get dumped, and once again--magnesium & titanium are part of that "mercury vapor" mixture, and are more eco-friendly compounds--so it's not 100% liquified mercury being pumped into a stream...far from it.

I suggest when this thing does open, and it will, for some of the people, like yourself, who've heard the environmentalist schpiel and have bought into that mantra--go up there and ask for a tour of the facility so you can see how it works, and specifically ask about the "pollution" that the plant will give off. Go see for yourself about it instead of listening to people who are paid by organizations to make outrageous allegations against anything that even sounds like it might hurt the environment a little bit.

Funny thing to me is this...if everyone is suddenly so concerned about the pollution that is to come for this power plant, why aren't they concerned about the pollution given off from the plants that currently supply our electricity ? Why aren't they at those sites protesting and whining like a bunch of lil biotches ? Why don't they just disconnect from the power supply so they aren't supporting plants that produce pollution ? See, after looking at it that way, it isn't so bad is it now ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sup-rbeast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Funny thing to me is this...if everyone is suddenly so concerned about the pollution that is to come for this power plant, why aren't they concerned about the pollution given off from the plants that currently supply our electricity ? Why aren't they at those sites protesting and whining like a bunch of lil biotches ? Why don't they just disconnect from the power supply so they aren't supporting plants that produce pollution ? See, after looking at it that way, it isn't so bad is it now ? </div></div>

I agree 100% the Carbo plant IS outdated and VERY dirty however if new plants are never allowed to be built there is no way for these older plants to EVER be phased out.

For the folks that want to do there part to "Save the world" there are Home Solor units that can be purchesed to cut you usage and Possable get you off the grid (if you get a big enough unit and have enough sun light) Stop waiting on AEP or Dominion to install wind turbins and the like and take the incative to cut your usage if enough people do that then the Power industry will no need to build as many plants.

Here is a link to personal solor units
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The most efficient way isn't always affordable enough to make it economically feasible to do. There's always a give & take when it comes to a plant like this, no one's denying that--however, as I outlined in my small bit of research on carbon capture & mercury vapor...you need to keep in mind two very important things:</div></div>

The county gave them a huge tax break, there is our give shouldn't we at least make it as clean as we can? As for suprbeast talking about taxes, I agree which is why again I really don't understand a lot of what we do. The cheaper taxes for resource property compared to personal property, the whole wally world fiasco, and now giving dominion these huge tax breaks. If we'd quit helping everybody else out we might be able to help ourselves.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVFAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The most efficient way isn't always affordable enough to make it economically feasible to do. There's always a give & take when it comes to a plant like this, no one's denying that--however, as I outlined in my small bit of research on carbon capture & mercury vapor...you need to keep in mind two very important things:</div></div>

The county gave them a huge tax break, there is our give shouldn't we at least make it as clean as we can? As for suprbeast talking about taxes, I agree which is why again I really don't understand a lot of what we do. The cheaper taxes for resource property compared to personal property, the whole wally world fiasco, and now giving dominion these huge tax breaks. If we'd quit helping everybody else out we might be able to help ourselves.</div></div>

Once again--keep in mind...we are keeping it just as clean as any other coal-fired plants put into production today. We're not blowing straight soot out of the pipes here. This isn't coke oven-messy. This is "as clean as we can" for now. It doesn't mean that we won't be trying to upgrade the emissions system as the technology becomes more affordable and more effective.

Your POV is clouded (no pun intended), my friend.

Thats just false. According to the Clean Air Act new plants must use the best technology available. Yet they are choosing not to use Integrated Gasification. If they would use this it would dramatically increase the mercury control. Like I said, if they would do this thing the proper way I'd really have no problem with it. I don't see why they should be allowed to cut corners especially with the large tax breaks they are already being given.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NotSoSilentBob</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GhostlyOne</div><div class="ubbcode-body">no it is because you root for the cubs who have been losers for the last how many years. sorry, i know this global warming stuff must be hard for you to comprehend and especially about how republicans are greedy rich racist dictators might be hard for u to understand also. look at the great depression who was in power in the 20s that let the stock market go unregulated oh that is right it was republicans. the same thing happened with the environment. </div></div>


Tis better to remain silent and be thought an idiot than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. </div></div>
[img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif[/img] And you have 7900 posts and a scrubs fann ,too? I wouldn't look for them to rise before...Easter.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVFAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The most efficient way isn't always affordable enough to make it economically feasible to do. There's always a give & take when it comes to a plant like this, no one's denying that--however, as I outlined in my small bit of research on carbon capture & mercury vapor...you need to keep in mind two very important things:</div></div>

The county gave them a huge tax break, there is our give shouldn't we at least make it as clean as we can? As for suprbeast talking about taxes, I agree which is why again I really don't understand a lot of what we do. The cheaper taxes for resource property compared to personal property, the whole wally world fiasco, and now giving dominion these huge tax breaks. If we'd quit helping everybody else out we might be able to help ourselves. </div></div>
That is how everyone gets a business to locate in their area.

Really I think we have leverage on this one. Most parts in the state do not want anything to do with this plant. I really think they wanted to put it here because this is "coal country" and they didn't expect much opposition.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVFAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Really I think we have leverage on this one. Most parts in the state do not want anything to do with this plant. I really think they wanted to put it here because this is "coal country" and they didn't expect much opposition. </div></div>
No, if you have any leverage it is because the railroad is cut out, Their fee is about half of the price of most coal. I suspect they are behind some of the protesting. In the 90s they were getting 40 bucks a ton to ship to the eastern seaboard. Get the plant in and running , they can't tear it down and move it, then raise taxes. But they will just pass them back to the consumers.

..and there shouldn't be opposition to it. You have to offer reduced tax rates to lure business..they will go up over time. Besides, when did the locals here become such whining wussies ? For an area who heritage includes being hard nosed, it certainly has gone downhill in a hurry. For everyone that wants to whine about pollution in the air, go to Appy and sit down on Callahan Ave. for an hour or 2...then wipe all the coal dust off of ya, and worry some more about a power plant that is to be built in St. Paul.